Speaker: moolulu; sivl; samuwel
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Was the big bush in the old days the same as now or different?: 0:00:00
There used to be big bush but now it is just young bush: 0:00:45
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? : 0:01:15
it's bad: 0:01:20
why is it bad?: 0:01:35
It used to be full of animals: 0:01:39
Is the water today the same or different from the water of before?: 0:01:59
It's kind of different since it used to be colder and dark since it was in the big bush: 0:02:13
I heard there used to be eels: 0:02:54
Yeah, big ones. You didn't even have to look for them they were just there for the taking: 0:03:09
So which was better, the old water or today's water?: 0:03:35
The old water, today's water is empty: 0:03:40
Was the sun in the old days the same or different?: 0:03:50
The old sun was good and strong, now it rain even in dry season: 0:04:05
so which is better?: 0:05:08
The old sun was better, it could really cook things, this sun is just good enough: 0:05:19
were the old houses the same or different?: 0:05:43
They made ground houses, they were different: 0:05:59
How were they different?: 0:06:13
They made large ground houses and they wrapped them in sul, today we use bamboo: 0:06:18
And the rooves?: 0:06:56
They made them with anabugut sog and we use simob sog: 0:06:59
So which is better?: 0:07:12
The older houses rotted quicker so the modern houses are better: 0:07:23
Are your gardens the same or different?: 0:07:43
They didn't build large gardens, they built them with the trees: 0:07:53
Did they build fences?: 0:08:03
they did: 0:08:07
So which was better, the old gardens or the new ones: 0:08:11
they used to build small gardens, now we build large ones with lots of food which is better . enough for ourselves and pigs: 0:08:29
Were people around for a long time or did they die qiuckley: 0:09:04
they'd get old but a strong sickness would kill them: 0:09:18
Is it the same now or different?: 0:09:38
In the middle time we didn't die quickly but now we do: 0:09:48
Is one better or worse?: 0:10:07
before it was alright but now we die close to: 0:10:18
Was the work from before the same or different?: 0:10:51
It's kind of different: 0:11:00
How is it different?: 0:11:14
They used to be seperate but now we are togeter. We still plant yams : 0:11:18
So which is better?: 0:11:56
it was better before, now we big head and die: 0:12:01
Were there more people before or just a few: 0:12:20
There weren't many people, it was big bush: 0:12:37
Is now different?: 0:12:47
There's lots of people now: 0:12:50
Which is better: 0:12:54
It is better that we have more people: 0:13:00
Did the old people have good pasin: 0:13:23
They had good pasin, our grandparents and parents too: 0:13:30
And currently?: 0:13:54
There is some good pasin but lot of bad pasin: 0:14:01
Did the grandfathers fight? : 0:14:14
They fought until you (white folks) and then they stopped: 0:14:21
Do you fight now: 0:14:33
No: 0:14:35
So wich is better?: 0:14:38
The really old peopl did well, the one's in the middle did bad: 0:15:04
When was the middle?: 0:15:16
The time of the grandfathers, there was a lot of sorcery and warfare. But before that it was good: 0:15:19
When was the old time?: 0:15:40
The great great grandparents and up: 0:15:45
How did the kovol people take this land? (+much internal discussion): 0:16:06
our ancestors had kids and we were here: 0:17:03
Were your grandparents here a long time or did they come from elsewhere?: 0:17:26
They came from a different place. We're not sure where, but we say we came from Ingis: 0:17:38
Did Torokum and Evisil come from Ingis too?: 0:18:29
We don't know. Some say we came from Kombumbuwa some say from down below some say from above. There are a lot of thoughts: 0:18:51
When you came from Ingis, were there other people here already?: 0:19:15
We say that our head people came from Kooyakooya, where the tower is, and came here and went to ingis: 0:19:29
Were there spirits in the land?: 0:20:14
Sivil detailed description, taking the bird house story: 0:20:29
hulum sindee ab oomboo egee agamoot oo
agamb i oogootooloob
nobug ee
oo sinnol nobug mee noom agamemind
igitasi mohis lib hig woheb agamoot
igita (mohis sould be noobuk) oom wog nobug wob neleb i wo oogoo isoom iluwasi oogootooloob
wog ab oogooteleb ilamind oomboo mohis hoom ab oboob agamoot
mohis oom ab oboob igita oogooteleb wog hoom tebemind teb hamind mohis igita eb i wog
sinnol heleb yamind
nobug heleb yamind
yooguwasi oogootooloob mohis ab oboob agamoot
mohis noom temee nog i molomung og ombul
ab oboob agamb i oogootooloob
wog undum ombul hutam hamind
Ombuk hutam hamind oo
undum heeyim o ingil
undum yagam o huwa
undum haleng oom yanging
undum ombul endet hamind oo
family hoom egee asam oomboo lib mohis agabi helemind, yaya helemind
yaya heleb i pusila mondu oogoo
ingil familiy noom mondu oogoo yab ab ebemin
Huwa family noom
Lib mondutu hiyoomboo igitasi..( iluwasi a) mondu ab oomboo lebemind
yaginn family noom ab hiyoomboo igugund
undum 3pela noom endeteng
agamemind
eb endet amoong yam
a
endet hooyom endeteng ig eb amoong yam
amoong yam oo
ig isig oom ee
hobol mohis egee hobol oboob teb oogoo ilat noom
musu oogoo hamoong yam hoo oomboo hutee ilat oomboo oomo
tatugum mot hooyom mu helemind
mohis onnol noomboo agamoot oogoond yam
Oogoon yam oomo onn aleg etee hooloot oom soogul bili tugub hooyom wig
musu oogoo hoom amoong yam hooya hooya hisoomboo
agamb i oong yam tebemind manana mel ibabiguwa ogoootooloob noomboo bo helemind oong yam
wes wes bo helemind
hobol hum endet amoong yam
teb i oom mohis ombul ee
kobol og i hobol hog ambul ibool ungee
tebemind yab i hutee goosebi hiyoomboo teb i ungee egee oogootooloot
o ibool teb i ogulugee eb womboo liboot yab i oom wom teb i teb ingis igitee
Yab i noow oomboo yat
yab igita
hobol hoo egee angoom endet eb noobug wog ooloogot heleb iguwasi mohis noom ab oboob agamb i family es sonduguloot
es sondugula mohis agabi heleb oogootooloob
oom ab oom ee
ab oomboo mohis mu agamoot
mohis wig ab umann agamoot
igita
mohis oogoo family es sennelemind honn anamag hutee liboot
liba hiyoom hoom lebemind heleb es segemulub agamb i
mohis es sondugub ab oom oboob igitasi undum wom salib oogoo igung
egee
egee hooyom ang yam oom endeteng
endeteng ig eb amoong yam
oomboo mohis hoom womoom egee liboot hoo family sila oogoo igugund
mohis hiyoom oogoo liboomung family sila oogoo igung
agamb i amoong o
isim oom ab mohis mu agamoot
mohis hombumbuwa igund imoomboo mohis es sonduguloot
ingis igund hiyoomboo es sonduguloot
ab oom hum igita sogu tugub mohis yolee heleb teb ab ebemind
ebemind noomboo igung
Oom ig musu egee oboob i noom egee angoom
When the kiyaps came, was that good or bad?: 0:24:35
It was good they came and straightened us out: 0:24:44
(I don't even know what I asked here): 0:25:15
telling about when the kiyaps came: 0:25:36
Which is better, to be wild or clear: 0:26:31
It's bad to be wild : 0:26:36
Who came first, Lutherans or the Kiyaps?: 0:27:16
The luterans came first Yann hongonn (a torokum place) then to Nagalubee Hulum (torkum big place) and cut the trees, then they left our place and went to Wanuma. So the people went wild again and started fighting each other. The luterans aske for kiyaps so the kiyaps came and they would shoot in the air to scare people. So then the luterans came back after the kiyaps. The white man at Wanuma was Setala (note: Sivil saw Setala when he was a "mohis meey"), the last white wanuma missionary was Kupel: 0:27:24
Was it good the missionaries came or bad: 0:28:50
We were wild and they made us good. They taught us pigin, they orginized us into communities and established leaders, They had us build roads. My (sivil's) father built the roads: 0:28:56
Kavaluku told me about how one of his father's build Madang, Did your fathers do that too?: 0:32:18
Yeah, once they learned pigin they went down. Madang was just a swamp and they cleared it out: 0:32:34
Do you know which of your fathers did that?: 0:33:34
Endembi and Maginn, Maliya's father: 0:33:48
Can you count them?: 0:33:55
Just the two Endembi and Maginn, Endembi is Maliya's father, Maliya is still alive: 0:33:59
Can you recount the geneology (poorly asked)?: 0:34:16
(moolulu) My grandfather was Maginn, the father of my father. If you ask Soso and Goosubonn, their father went too: 0:34:31
Are they still around: 0:35:30
Soso's dad is still around (post note, it was his uncle who is not still around): 0:35:33
Who brought the vanilla?: 0:36:26
Gusubonn's era did that, they went to the coast and learned how to look after it and brought up plantings: 0:36:43
When did they do that: 0:38:05
(Moolulu) just now when I was young: 0:38:11
(Sivil) They just now brought it when Silas was getting big, first we tried coffee: 0:38:40
Was coffee any good?: 0:39:05
No, a lot of work for a little pay: 0:39:12
So is vanilla a good thing?: 0:39:44
Vinalla is better than coffee, it is good. Now we can buy things like blankets and pots and we're full with stuff: 0:39:48
Did they have money in the old days: 0:40:39
No: 0:40:48
How did that change?: 0:41:01
It only just changed: 0:41:04
What other things are different between the old days and now?: 0:41:16
Now we have money so we have a lot, they used to be in darkness but now it's clear : 0:41:27
Going back to warfare, you said in the middle there was war, why did that end? (poorly asked): 0:41:56
You guys came and it ended: 0:42:23
How did the fights begin?: 0:42:46
We were just wild animals back then: 0:42:52