Speaker: Aliyoos and Toobee
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Humul?: 0:00:00
Before there was big bush now there are gardens: 0:00:18
Which is better? They looked after it well, we didn't: 0:00:59
Water?: 0:02:47
In the same way, we didn't look after the water well and the wildlife left: 0:02:54
But now you have fish: 0:03:27
Yeah, we have fish and we've cut the trees by the water: 0:03:31
Wich is better, fishy water or eely water: 0:03:45
They looked after their water, we didn't and the eels fled. they did better: 0:03:59
Sun? (he's still thinking fish though): 0:04:34
We go fishing when there is a good sun: 0:04:43
Were the seasons the same or differe (I didn't communicate well enough that I'm not talking about fish anymre!): 0:05:32
You can't fish in the rainy season: 0:05:41
(I was confused by his answer so I just asked the next question) Is now the same or different?: 0:05:56
When it's sunny we go in the water: 0:06:02
Villages? (he's still on the topic of fish): 0:06:18
We used to gather and go fishing, we still do that: 0:06:30
I'm not talking about fishing. Did the old people build villages?: 0:07:00
No, they lived wild until your people came and took them : 0:07:15
Which is better?: 0:07:54
They were wild and blind, building small gardens in the woods. they they got axes and such in the great grandpartent time: 0:08:00
Gardens?: 0:08:45
Now we have axes and things so we make clear areas to put our gardens: 0:08:53
How did they do it before axes?: 0:09:48
They'd use their adz and they didn't eat much: 0:09:55
So which is better: 0:10:06
We build larger gardens now : 0:10:13
Houses?: 0:10:40
They used to build ground houses and wrap them in sul: 0:10:49
Why don't you still use sul?: 0:11:21
It is like a blain: 0:11:25
Why do you use blains now?: 0:11:35
We have lots of bamboo: 0:11:43
Which is better? : 0:11:57
They're mostly the same thing (+much more detailed talk about houses in general): 0:12:08
Lifespans?: 0:14:30
The great great's live a long time but come to now we start dieing: 0:14:38
So now?: 0:14:58
From our grandparents on we started dieing quickly: 0:15:06
Work?: 0:15:30
We follow the same work: 0:15:50
Population: 0:16:00
There used to be a lot of people: 0:16:12
And now?: 0:16:33
Now we are few. Of course, many of them died as they came: 0:16:37
What changed?: 0:16:45
They used to kill each other with sorcery: 0:16:49
Did the people have good pasin or bad pasin? (first attempt asked if they had good teeth): 0:16:54
It used to be pretty good but then they started doing sorcery and the like: 0:17:42
Are you doing well now?: 0:19:08
If we act well, we will live long. If we don't act well we will die quickly: 0:19:16
Did they do a lot of warfare or did they just dabble in murder?: 0:19:28
Just the one time of war: 0:19:38
How did your ancestors take the land?: 0:19:47
Do you mean when they built the villages?: 0:20:21
When they sat here: 0:20:31
Tobee's line came from down below and mine from across the river: 0:20:59
Where were they?: 0:21:50
They were from Pusila, we were on the other side (Ingis): 0:21:53
Was the place empty or full?: 0:21:58
It was empty, and they came up and called some of us over: 0:22:02
What about the other villages?: 0:22:17
Pusila and Kokoma are all one family from Ingis. All the kovol were at Kombumbuwa and then some went to Torokum and ours went to Ingis. Then the kiyaps made us join in one place: 0:22:28
How was your mountain empty? (but he heard, how did they die?): 0:23:44
They killed eachother and the population dropped, then they started repopulating the place. Our grandparents said that we were going to be more chill and not fight and if we act badly we're also going to die: 0:23:51
Were the kiyaps good or bad? : 0:25:29
They were good, we were wild and blind and they helped us see clear: 0:25:40
Did they stick around or did they come temporarily?: 0:27:22
They took our names and went back: 0:27:26
What work did they do?: 0:27:39
They took our names, told us to build roads, gave us things to builg roads: 0:27:44
Who came first, Luterans or Kiyaps?: 0:28:24
We're not sure, ask the old people. Maybe the kiyaps came first: 0:28:33
Were the Luterans good or bad?: 0:29:01
They didn't come in the name of the Luterans first. They first came and took us, then the Lutherans came and schooled us: 0:29:10
So they came later, was it a good thing or bad?: 0:30:18
It was good: 0:30:26
What work did they do?: 0:30:33
They taught us to read and do church, we've stopped doing church: 0:30:36
(more still)