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(yesterday Ingis put a paper and fined you guys. K155 you paid, what do you think? are you wanbel? or is there 2 thoughts? We have two thoughts, we thought we'd taken care of it already but they demanded money, they brought the summons and we ended up having to pay them. Do you feel like you paid twice? you already gave him a pig, and now there's a fine. We're not happy, we told them we wanted to leave it and not pay, but we ended up paying. Francis broke the sandil, they said Umbee stole buai is that true? We don't know, we didn't see. They might just be saying that, but we know Francis broke the sandil. We don't know. So Francis did badly, but Ingis broke his traps so both sides did bad, but they bunged the charge about the pig and issued a summons? Yes they did that, they used the magistrate to put it all together. Francis broke the sandil and they issued a summons. At first you said you wouldn't pay, but then you did pay. Why? We were on our own ground, our ancestors were there, they've come up. Their ancestors went down... We gave the pig and it should have been done, but it wasn't. They asked for money and gave the summons. So you were afraid of the summons and paid? yes we were afraid of the summons. And there's still a disagreement about the ground? yes the land is still in the middle. Will the whole clan be paying, or just Francis? All of us, we all put yesterday and we'll pay the rest. Hogumam clan won't pay? No they won't pay, just us Pusila clan.)